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Bug #2576

Packaging request #2506: arch introduced a base metapackage to replace the meta group

Housekeeping #2549: move non-systemd packages to [nonsystemd]

[openrc-desktop] rearrange openrc groups

bill-auger - about 2 months ago - . Updated 21 days ago.

Status:
confirmed
Priority:
broken
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% Done:

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Description

i have not been able to reproduce any of the other conflicts reported with installing or upgrading openrc, by using pacman- Syu; but i may have been missing some of the essential desktop packages

as of today, the most basic essential openrc install is:

base system:
  base systemd-libs-dummy
desktop system:
  base systemd-dummy
  openrc-desktop systemd-dummy polkit-elogind

when i tried installing all of those, i hit another set of conflicts that are unlike the others

$ sudo pacman -S base systemd-libs-dummy openrc-desktop systemd-dummy polkit-elogind
warning: systemd-libs-dummy-1:1-1 is up to date -- skipping
warning: acpid-openrc-20170927-1 is up to date -- skipping
warning: alsa-utils-openrc-20170927-1 is up to date -- skipping
warning: avahi-openrc-20170927-1 is up to date -- skipping
warning: bluez-openrc-20170927-1 is up to date -- skipping
warning: displaymanager-openrc-20170927-1 is up to date -- skipping
warning: gpm-openrc-20170927-1 is up to date -- skipping
warning: modemmanager-pk-rules-20160402-1 is up to date -- skipping
warning: wpa_supplicant-openrc-20170927-1 is up to date -- skipping
:: There are 2 members in group openrc-desktop:
:: Repository pcr
   1) elogind-openrc  2) networkmanager-openrc

Enter a selection (default=all): 
warning: systemd-dummy-1:1-1 is up to date -- skipping
resolving dependencies...
looking for conflicting packages...
:: polkit-elogind and polkit are in conflict. Remove polkit? [y/N] y
:: elogind-openrc and elogind are in conflict. Remove elogind? [y/N] y
error: failed to prepare transaction (could not satisfy dependencies)
:: unable to satisfy dependency 'elogind' required by elogind-openrc
:: unable to satisfy dependency 'elogind' required by polkit-elogind
:: removing elogind breaks dependency 'elogind' required by networkmanager

History

#1

Updated by bill-auger about 2 months ago

  • Description updated (diff)
#2

Updated by Megver83 about 2 months ago

  • Priority changed from bug to broken
  • Subject changed from conflict upgrading openrc-desktop to [openrc-desktop] rearrange openrc groups

if you have [nonsystemd] enabled, say bye bye to all [pcr] -elogind pkgs, which are now being replaced by [nonsystemd] replacements and systemd-dummy and systemd-libs-dummy will also be deprecated as nonsystemd/elogind provide systemd and nonsystemd/systemd-libs-dummy provides systemd-libs

Don't use those groups in the short term, I've to re-arrange them. I'll change this issue's topic accordingly so we keep track of what I'll be doing regarding this

#3

Updated by bill-auger about 2 months ago

can you be more clear about exactly which groups to avoid - do you mean 'base-openrc' 'openrc-desktop'?

i have been recommending to use nonsystemd/base instead of 'base-openrc', because 'base-openrc' is being replaced by 'base' in nonsystemd - i was not aware that 'openrc-desktop' was going away though - i think something like it may be needed to ensure that 'systemd-dummy' and 'polkit-elogind' get installed - and likewise for 'base', to ensure that 'systemd-libs-dummy' gets installed with 'base'

#4

Updated by Megver83 about 2 months ago

systemd-dummy and systemd-libs-dummy are useless from now on because nonsystemd/elogind provides systemd and nonsystemd/libelogind provides systemd-libs so don't recommend them to anybody

and forget about polkit-elogind and all -elogind packages, I've rebuit (and upgrade) them in [nonsystemd] without that suffix
https://www.parabola.nu/packages/nonsystemd/x86_64/polkit/

Regarding the groups, I just said to avoid them for now, but I'll rearrange, not remove them. The only group that's being deprecated is base-openrc

#5

Updated by bill-auger about 2 months ago

awesome this sounds real good - glad we are getting this sorted
out finally

#6

Updated by bill-auger about 2 months ago

i went over the openrc base install today with the intention of removing 'systemd-libs-dummy' and 'systemd-dummy' from the pacstrap commands on the wiki install guide; but i noticed that 'systemd-libs-dummy' is still necessary, in order to avoid installing 'systemd-*' packages from [libre] - there must be something that 'systemd-libs-dummy' provides/depends, that nonsystemd/base still does not

# pacstrap /mnt base --print | grep -E '[^n]systemd|elogind'
http://repo.parabola.nu/libre/os/x86_64/systemd-nss-systemd-243.162-2.parabola1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz
http://repo.parabola.nu/libre/os/x86_64/systemd-nss-myhostname-243.162-2.parabola1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz
http://repo.parabola.nu/libre/os/x86_64/systemd-nss-mymachines-243.162-2.parabola1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz
http://repo.parabola.nu/libre/os/x86_64/systemd-nss-resolve-243.162-2.parabola1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz
file:///mnt/var/cache/pacman/pkg/libelogind-241.3-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz
http://repo.parabola.nu/libre/os/x86_64/systemd-libs-243.162-2.parabola1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz

# pacstrap /mnt base elogind --print | grep -E '[^n]systemd|elogind'
http://repo.parabola.nu/libre/os/x86_64/systemd-nss-systemd-243.162-2.parabola1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz
http://repo.parabola.nu/libre/os/x86_64/systemd-nss-myhostname-243.162-2.parabola1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz
http://repo.parabola.nu/libre/os/x86_64/systemd-nss-mymachines-243.162-2.parabola1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz
http://repo.parabola.nu/libre/os/x86_64/systemd-nss-resolve-243.162-2.parabola1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz
file:///mnt/var/cache/pacman/pkg/libelogind-241.3-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz
http://repo.parabola.nu/libre/os/x86_64/systemd-libs-243.162-2.parabola1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz
http://repo.parabola.nu/nonsystemd/os/x86_64/elogind-241.3-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz

# pacstrap /mnt base systemd-libs-dummy --print | grep -E '[^n]systemd|elogind'
file:///mnt/var/cache/pacman/pkg/libelogind-241.3-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz
http://repo.parabola.nu/pcr/os/x86_64/systemd-libs-dummy-1:1-1-any.pkg.tar.xz
#7

Updated by bill-auger about 2 months ago

the same is true for the 'openrc-desktop' wiki instructions - the pacstrap command still requires 'systemd-dummy' at the minimum, in order to avoid installing 'systemd-*' packages from [libre]

# pacstrap /mnt base openrc-desktop --print | grep -E '[^n]systemd|elogind'
http://repo.parabola.nu/libre/os/x86_64/systemd-nss-systemd-243.162-2.parabola1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz
http://repo.parabola.nu/libre/os/x86_64/systemd-nss-myhostname-243.162-2.parabola1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz
http://repo.parabola.nu/libre/os/x86_64/systemd-nss-mymachines-243.162-2.parabola1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz
http://repo.parabola.nu/libre/os/x86_64/systemd-nss-resolve-243.162-2.parabola1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz
file:///mnt/var/cache/pacman/pkg/libelogind-241.3-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz
http://repo.parabola.nu/libre/os/x86_64/systemd-libs-243.162-2.parabola1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz
http://repo.parabola.nu/libre/os/x86_64/systemd-common-243.162-2.parabola1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz
http://repo.parabola.nu/libre/os/x86_64/systemd-243.162-2.parabola1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz
http://repo.parabola.nu/nonsystemd/os/x86_64/elogind-241.3-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz
http://repo.parabola.nu/pcr/os/x86_64/elogind-openrc-20170927-1-any.pkg.tar.xz

# pacstrap /mnt base systemd-libs-dummy openrc-desktop --print | grep -E '[^n]systemd|elogind'
file:///mnt/var/cache/pacman/pkg/libelogind-241.3-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz
http://repo.parabola.nu/pcr/os/x86_64/systemd-libs-dummy-1:1-1-any.pkg.tar.xz
http://repo.parabola.nu/libre/os/x86_64/systemd-common-243.162-2.parabola1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz
http://repo.parabola.nu/libre/os/x86_64/systemd-243.162-2.parabola1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz
http://repo.parabola.nu/nonsystemd/os/x86_64/elogind-241.3-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz
http://repo.parabola.nu/pcr/os/x86_64/elogind-openrc-20170927-1-any.pkg.tar.xz

# pacstrap /mnt base systemd-libs-dummy openrc-desktop systemd-dummy --print | grep -E '[^n]systemd|elogind'
file:///mnt/var/cache/pacman/pkg/libelogind-241.3-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz
http://repo.parabola.nu/pcr/os/x86_64/systemd-libs-dummy-1:1-1-any.pkg.tar.xz
http://repo.parabola.nu/pcr/os/x86_64/systemd-dummy-1:1-1-any.pkg.tar.xz
http://repo.parabola.nu/nonsystemd/os/x86_64/elogind-241.3-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz
http://repo.parabola.nu/pcr/os/x86_64/elogind-openrc-20170927-1-any.pkg.tar.xz
#8

Updated by bill-auger 22 days ago

  • Description updated (diff)

in order to allow `pacstrap /mnt nonsystemd/base` to work as people expect, i added 'systemd-libs-dummy' to the 'nonsystemd/base' meta-package - i will probably build and publish the package later today - if some other package will provide whatever 'systemd-libs-dummy' does now, which is necessary to prevent the real systemd-* packages from being installed, we can replace it, or remove it

#9

Updated by Megver83 21 days ago

NOOOOOOOOOO, DON'T DO IT

systemd-libs-dummy and systemd-dummy will be deprecated soon, creating hard dependencies with them in the base package is suicide. I'll rearrange everything this month, I've been busy with the chromebook kernel but I'll now dedicate time to this problem. Please DO NOT TOUCH [nonsystemd] packages till I get everything working. Meanwhile ppl will have to do `pacstrap /mnt base elogind libelogind` (as [nonsystemd] is above [libre] in pacman.conf it will automatically install the [nonsystemd] versions of base, elogind and libelogind).

REMEMBER: nonsytemd/elogind provides systemd and nonsystemd/libelogind provides systemd-libs now

#10

Updated by Megver83 21 days ago

Just removed the following [pcr] packages:

  • polkit-elogind
  • systemd-dummy
  • systemd-libs-dummy
  • elogind-openrc
  • elogind
  • libelogind
  • openrc

they all have their corresponding replacements in [nonsystemd], I'll fix #2574 later and rearrange all the openrc pkgs in [nonsystemd]

#11

Updated by bill-auger 21 days ago

ok i was not aware that those completely satisfy the fake systemd requirements - 'elogind' and 'libelogind' together with 'base' do avoid any systemd-* packages from being installed - thats all i was trying to accomplish - so for now, the install guide should be changed to

# pacstrap /mnt base elogind libelogind

i just checked, base + libelogind is enough to prevent any systemd-* packages from being installed - so why not add elogind and libelogind (or only libelogind) to nonsystemd/base now, instead of systemd-libs-dummy? - that would allow putting the install guide back to `pacstrap /mnt base`; and it would not need to change again

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