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Freedom Issue #3381

xonotic EULA/Terms of Service

penaiple - about 2 months ago - . Updated about 1 month ago.

Status:
not-a-bug
Priority:
bug
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% Done:

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Description

When installing and launching xonotic for the first time, it forces you to agree to those Terms of Service, which appears to be freedom restricting to me, especially if you just want to play offline or host your own server to play with others and don't want to use whatever centralized server/service the developers offer to you.
The program refuses to let you use it at all if you reject those terms.


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Related to Packages - Feature Request #2360: [your-system sanity][xonotic-*] Downloads packages from serveropen

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Related to Packages - Freedom Issue #3217: [xonotic-data] No licenseinfo needed

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#2

Updated by GNUtoo about 2 months ago

Hi,

What is the issue with these terms of services?

As I understand they don't apply at all to the usage of Xonotic, they only apply to the usage of some of the infrastructure of the Xonotic project:

By accessing the services at https://stats.xonotic.org and https://forums.xonotic.org, you are agreeing to be bound by these terms of service, all applicable laws and regulations, and agree that you are responsible for compliance with any applicable local laws. If you do not agree with any of these terms, you are prohibited from using or accessing this site.

so if I understood correctly, even if you click agree, they don't apply unless you use these services. And you are asked at the first run of Xonotic for if you want to participate to this statistics project. You have 3 choices: "Yes", "No", "Undecided". Personally I chose "No" because I care about privacy and I don't want to have my statistics be public. And as I understand well, there is no situation where it chooses yes automatically, you really have to select one of the 3 choices.

I'm not sure about online game but they might even work without you requiring to respect this EULA because it doesn't mention online games.

The only issue I see in this EULA is that you agree to be "bound by [...], all applicable laws and regulations", but it then tells you that "you are responsible for compliance with any applicable local laws", so maybe that needs to be clarified.

Here the potential issue is that some people have to break the law.

For instance if you are doing non-violent activism that require you to explicitly violate laws (for instance to be arrested publicly and have a public trial to challenge awful laws). In other cases you might die if you don't violate property laws (like starve, end up dying in the streets if you don't squat and abandoned state or company building, etc).

In France the law sometimes obligate you to violate the law. For instance if you're an illegal refugee the state requires you to work to get the citizenship but at the same time working is illegal for you.

Software patents also obligates you to violate the law as you can't avoid them all until they are completely banned from the law. And getting them banned probably require you to use software in the meantime to organize to get them banned.

#3

Updated by GNUtoo about 1 month ago

  • Status changed from unconfirmed to not-a-bug

As we have between 700 and 800 bugs open, for now I'll close this bug as not-a-bug in order to not have too much bugs waiting for input that can never come. Feel free to reopen the bug if you have additional information so we could continue working on it.

#4

Updated by bill-auger about 1 month ago

'xonotic' appears to have multiple issues - see also #2360 and #3217

#5

Updated by bill-auger about 1 month ago

#6

Updated by bill-auger about 1 month ago

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