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Freedom issue #2661

[foldingathome]: non-free license

ryry - 8 months ago - . Updated 7 months ago.

Status:
confirmed
Priority:
freedom issue
Assignee:
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Description

This is the software license which appears to be proprietary. Can be seen in src packages if tried to build. or at https://download.foldingathome.org/releases/public/release/fahclient/debian-stable-64bit/v7.5/ under copyright (which is specified in the PKGBUILD).

------------------------ Folding@home Software License ------------------------
Copyright 2001-2018. FoldingAtHome.org. All Rights Reserved.

License Agreement:

Please carefully read the following terms and conditions before using this software. Use of this software indicates acceptance of this license agreement and disclaimer of all warranties.

Disclaimer of Warranty:

IN NO EVENT SHALL FOLDINGATHOME.ORG BE LIABLE TO ANY PARTY FOR DIRECT, INDIRECT, SPECIAL, INCIDENTAL, OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES, INCLUDING LOST PROFITS, ARISING OUT OF THE USE OF THIS SOFTWARE AND ITS DOCUMENTATION, EVEN IF FOLDINGATHOME.ORG HAS BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGE.

FOLDINGATHOME.ORG SPECIFICALLY DISCLAIMS ANY WARRANTIES, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. THE SOFTWARE AND ACCOMPANYING DOCUMENTATION PROVIDED HEREUNDER IS PROVIDED "AS IS". Folding@home HAS NO OBLIGATION TO PROVIDE MAINTENANCE, SUPPORT, UPDATES, ENHANCEMENTS, OR MODIFICATIONS.

Restrictions:

You may use this software on a computer system only if you own the system or have the written permission of the owner.

You may not alter the software or associated data files.

You may only use unmodified versions of Folding@home obtained through authorized distributors to connect to the Folding@home servers. Use of other software to connect to the Folding@home servers is strictly prohibited. This prohibition includes 3rd party installers which download directly from foldingathome.org web sites, unless written permission is granted from foldingathome.org.

Distribution of this software is prohibited. It may only be obtained by downloading from foldingathome.org (https://foldingathome.org and pages linked therein) or the web site of one of our commercial partners (NVIDIA and AMD).
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#1

Updated by freemor 8 months ago

Where in the Repos are you seeing folding@home?

#2

Updated by freemor 8 months ago

Also in this care some restrictions make sense:

  • People mucking with the data would result in usless results for the project.
  • People muching with the software could result in useless data for the project

As a side note: You should never be installing/running software on a computer that you do not have permission to do so.

#3

Updated by ryry 8 months ago

Sorry, I wasn't sure what the situation with it was.

I can see them at:

https://www.parabola.nu/packages/community/i686/foldingathome/
https://www.parabola.nu/packages/community/armv7h/foldingathome/

I would note that I pulled the PKGBUILD using the 'asp foldingathome' and was able build it, which it did without any further input, the armv7h package installs with the usual - sudo pacman -S foldingathome but doesn't work (it installing without, but not running without issue/warning is what lead me to pull the PKBUILD and build for x86_64 and installing it.

Thanks
ryry

#4

Updated by bill-auger 8 months ago

  • Priority changed from bug to freedom issue
  • Status changed from unconfirmed to confirmed
  • Subject changed from [foldingathome] Please put your reasons here (register first if you haven't) to [foldingathome]: non-free license
#5

Updated by freemor 8 months ago

It should be noted that asp pulls from the Arch repos not asp pulls directly from the Arch or Alarm or Arch32 repos and not the parabola repos.

But as pacman -Ss shows it on i686 and ARM it'll have to be blacklisted there. It does not show up on x86_64 at this time but blacklisting will prevent that anyways.

Thanks for noticing it.. But Be careful using ASP to pull packages because if you ASP'd a package listed in [libre] you'd actually end up pulling the PKGBUILD from Arch not from abslibre.

#6

Updated by ryry 8 months ago

Thats ok, it was my first spot in many years using parabola :), I didn't realise till installed and some seeing some chatter on the trisquel forums regarding it. Thanks for the advice, I wasn't aware that pulling the PKGBUILD for asp came directly from arch, I am glad I know now (though I build few myself).

Do you think there is any real risk (i.e compromise) from having had installed it and run it fairly briefly (now removed) on my system that I should be worried about?

Thanks
ryry

#7

Updated by freemor 8 months ago

I don't thing you have anything to worry about. F2H has been around forever and are very well respected.

The only issue would be one of freedom. and if you've removed it that is no longer an issue.

The wording in the paragraphs you listed are mainly leagleese to cover their buts if someone melts the bosses cpu by running F@H with bad settings.

I ran F@H years ago for years on what would now be 15-20yo hardware and nothing ever broke.

#8

Updated by oaken-source 8 months ago

I'd be hesitant to blacklist folding@home, this would, especially in the current situation, do potentially more harm than good.

as bill-auger said, it's a mature, well-respected project from the scientific community.

#9

Updated by grizzlyuser 8 months ago

IMHO it doesn't matter how well respected the software is when it's nonfree. Many of the packages Parabola blacklists are well respected too, so what? For example, boinc is blacklisted, and it allows to participate in similar scientific projects like Rosetta@Home that's also nonfree.

And it's not clear to me how one can even verify that the computing resources are actually spent on scientific research and not on other things like cryptocurrency mining, for example.

After all, blacklisting doesn't prevent any user from running F@H or any other nonfree software on Parabola system. The user is responsible for finding a way to install it from other sources, not from Parabola repos.

#10

Updated by bill-auger 8 months ago

just to be pedantic, i would suggest blacklisting the package if it does not meet the FSDG - its not like that would prevent anyone from using the program - presumably, the program can be acquired on the upstream website as a self-contained binary package - if the program is only distributed as a blob, then there is little benefit of wrapping it in a distro package - the distro package most likely contains the very same blob that can be downloaded from the upstream

it would be better to give people instructions for how the program (or any non-free software) could and should be run in a VM - although it also would be against the FSDG to recommend that, it would be better than physically distributing the program

#11

Updated by freemor 8 months ago

'm with bill-auger and grizzlyuser on this one. It is non-free, ergo it must be blacklisted. The facts that it is a great project, doing good work for the betterment of humanity is a separate issue. I love F2H I folded over 1000 units back in the day. None of that makes it free software.

I completely understand why it can't be free. That doesn't change the fact that it is not.

#12

Updated by bill-auger 7 months ago

ok 30 days of deliberation have passed - i did not even read that copyright notice until now - it is very clear about prohibiting re-distribution in any form - pacman is definitely a "3rd party installer" from the publisher's perspective; so the FSDG need not be evoked in this case - unless arch has the required written permission, even they should not be distributing this program - even if arch has permission, all mirror operators are actually 4th-parties, and arch's permission probably would not extend to the entire network of mirrors - who shall be the dirty dog that does the deed?

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